Viron parlamenttivaalien ja politiikan yleisketju

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Ennen vaaleja Ylen Viron kirjeenvaihtaja Rain Kooli esitti ainakin pariin kertaan esimerkkinä Ekre-puolueen törkeästä pelotteluvaalikampanjasta, että uusi hallitus muka ajaisi homoavioliittolakia ilman Ekreä.

Tänään sama toimittaja esitti aamu-tv:ssä jo ennen hallituksen muodostamista esimerkkinä tulevan hallituksen modernista linjasta, että se tulee totta kai esittämään homoavioliittolakia.

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Viron asevoimien päällikkö politikoi Reformi-puolueen puolesta, ja onnistui vetämään EKREn tuhoisaan suukopuun - lisäksi näyttää siltä että EKRE panosti liikaa puhtaan taloudellisiin teemoihin, kuten sähkön hinnoista valittamiseen:

https://news.err.ee/1608908468/helme-i-am-arguing-against-reform-ministers-not-edf-chief

A war of words with the EDF chief

The program's host, Indrek Kiisler, asked Helme if EKRE's lower-than-expected results were not due to Helme's verbal battle with EDF chief Martin Herem in the weeks leading up to the election, during which EKRE had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

"It is unfortunate that I debated the issue of national defense forces not with Pevkur or Kallas, but with the commander of the Estonian defense forces, who was campaigning for the Reform Party two weeks prior to the election. I criticized the government's decision to distribute heavy weapons; it is not up to Herem to do so. Instead of hearing an explanation from the government, the military chief accused me. I am not sure if he did it at the request of the Reform Party," Helme said.

When asked if EKRE's campaign missed the mark by focusing on economic and livelihood issues, despite the fact that energy prices began to fall, Helme responded that he did not see the situation in this light.

"The economic collapse is less visible in Tallinn's center, but it is more severe outside the city limits. The point is that elections are fought over narratives. The current government would clearly benefit if the primary topic was not the economy and people's livelihoods, but war. The Reform Party was rather successful in keeping the focus on war and scaring society," Helme said.

Nonetheless, the host pointed out, EKRE's statements reflected the criticism of Ukraine, while there is widespread support in Estonian society for arming Ukraine and accepting war refugees.

Helme replied that EKRE expressed their support for Ukraine, emphasizing that Estonia and Ukraine have a common enemy in Russia. "However, we cannot accept mass immigration, surrendering of our weapons or having things done at the expense of our people. I agree that we, maybe, to some extent, were not able to convey all of this clearly enough to our voters," Helme said.

He went on to say that EKRE's campaign also made mistakes and sometimes knowingly defended positions that were not very popular.

"Throughout the campaign, I have not met a single person who believed a word of the Prigozhin story. It was a straightforward information operation and a fabrication. And yes, I did come across people on the street who thought it was inappropriate to debate how many Ukrainians could enter Estonia or how many of our weapons we would hand over. This was our stance, and we were well aware that it was unpopular, but we insisted on it because we believe these government decisions were harmful to Estonia," Helme said.

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Ennen vaaleja Ylen Viron kirjeenvaihtaja Rain Kooli esitti ainakin pariin kertaan esimerkkinä Ekre-puolueen törkeästä pelotteluvaalikampanjasta, että uusi hallitus muka ajaisi homoavioliittolakia ilman Ekreä.

Tänään sama toimittaja esitti aamu-tv:ssä jo ennen hallituksen muodostamista esimerkkinä tulevan hallituksen modernista linjasta, että se tulee totta kai esittämään homoavioliittolakia.

No eikö tuo nyt ole (ainakin lievästi) pelottelumaista kampanjointia että äänestäkää meidät hallitukseen tai homoavioliitot tulee?

Ja jos puolueen johdosta viestintään ennen vaaleja että Viron pitäisi pysyä Ukrainan sodassa puolueettomana ja samalla kampanjoidaan homoavioliittoja vastustaen niin oletan monen äänestäjän huomaavan linjan olevan kumartamista Kremlin suuntaan.
Ilmeisesti ajankohta huomioiden äänestäjät katsoivat maanturvallisuuteen liittyvät asiat tärkeämmäksi kuin homoavioliitot.

EiKRE:llä pelisilmä petti.

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Tuntuu siltä että monet virolaisäänestäjät ovat jo tulleet katumapäälle sen suhteen että antoivat mediaoperaatioiden ajaa itsensä pois EKREn luota:

Estonia, Norstat poll:

EKRE-ID: 25% (+7)
R-RE: 22% (-2)
K-RE: 17% (-2)
E200→RE: 14% (-2)
SDE-S&D: 9% (-1)
I-EPP: 7% (-1)
P→EPP: 2% (-1)
ER-G/EFA: 2% (+1)

+/- vs. 3-10 April 2023

Fieldwork: 10-17 April 2023
Sample size: 1,000

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— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) April 18, 2023

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EKRE tosiaan kompastui näissä vaaleissa, mutta ei näköjään aio antaa sen menoa krampata - tässä haastattelussa Helme nuorempi antaa mädätys-liberalismin kuulla kunniansa, ja ilmoittaa ettei hänen puolueensa aio ruveta laimentamaan linjaansa ja "aisuroimaan" vaikka Viron valtamedia (kuten esim. Postimees-lehti) neuvookin heitä niin tekemään:

https://news.err.ee/1608966970/helme-on-alleged-in-house-row-politics-a-magnet-for-sociopaths

Helme on alleged in-house row: Politics a magnet for sociopaths

Madis Hindre

04.05.2023 12:45

Martin Helme, leader of the opposition Conservative People's Party (EKRE), is convinced that the party's subpar election result was the fault of e-voting rather than unfortunate campaign messages or organizational shortcomings. Helme suggests that in-house critics are disappointed with their personal election results and sees no place for them in EKRE.

EKRE saw a record number of people leave the party at a time when it should have been the most united, on the eve of the March parliamentary elections. No fewer than 250 members left between January and March for a considerable uptick compared to recent trends. Can you pinpoint the reason?

I cannot. But if we had around 10,000 members at the start of 2023, this is now closer to 10,150. People come and go all the time in an organization of this size. The turnover is positive and I see no cause for concern.

Those to recently quit the party have included some outspoken and well-known members, according to Postimees. One of their criticisms is that it is difficult to get a word in at EKRE. In your opinion, do members dare criticize your decisions and choices? Also, do you deem such courage to be important?

As concerns Postimees, I would say that a liberal-globalist propaganda publication has produced yet another soap opera narrative here. I have no further comment on that.

But broadly speaking, I have been in politics for 20 years, and politics attracts a disproportionate number of sociopaths. In other words, people who sport an inadequate self-image, believe they are smarter than they actually are, know more than they really know and are entitled to more than other people. Such people are often taken advantage of in their ambitions.

As concerns the Postimees editorial, I would say that the daily is recommending EKRE turn into another Free Party (Vabaerakond). In other words, abandon all true conservative and patriotic values and only occasionally make such hints while agreeing to globalist ghastliness, from the green and gay transitions to the federalization of the EU.

If your political opponents, and Postimees clearly positions itself as such in its editorial, try to give you advice in terms of what to become, I know precisely what not to become.

Still, do you see it as a value when members find the courage to tell leaders they believe the party is going down the wrong path?

There are no efforts to put down such courage. We have a lively debate inside the party, let me assure you. But what I consider important and keep a close eye on is for in-house debates to remain just that. They are not to be held on Facebook or on the pages of hostile media publications. We must part ways with those who err against this principle.

The EKRE council met in Türi over the weekend to reiterate that e-voting was behind its poorer-than-expected election result. Is cementing this view where the party did everything right, while external factors ruined the result really constructive? Will it help you put in a better result next time?

That is foremost on my mind. That if we fail to remedy the current situation where election results can be falsified in Estonia, what do we even want next time? If we continue to bury our heads in the sand and own up to what our ideological opponents say – you did this and said that wrong and should now bite your own hand off – leaving aside the fact that Estonia did not have fair elections, why bother planning campaigns in the first place.

That is the central issue. Of course, we have discussed and pinpointed some things we can do better next time, topics where the focus can be clearer, ways to use our resources more effectively. We have discussed all of those aspects.

But the main issue is how to make sure Estonia really does have fair and democratic elections. If we fail to answer that question, there is no sense in wasting time and money on anything else.

Do you have a roadmap for sorting it out in the opposition over the next four years?

We are working on it. We have plenty of ideas of what to do in the parliament, in terms of public opinion, our own organization. But I will not be communicating our battle plan publicly.

At the EKRE council meeting, Peeter Ernits said, among other things: "Our messages were at times embarrassing and people repeatedly asked me whether we were in our right minds. While mistakes happen everywhere, it would be best to admit when they do." Do you agree with Ernits in that mistakes were made? And leaving aside e-voting, what could EKRE have done better before elections or during the campaign?

No, naturally, I do not agree with what Peeter Ernits said. It sounds like bitterness over failing to make the parliament again. And I do not deem it sensible to go on such laments in the media.

I would return to numbers. We were the most popular party in the Riigikogu after the paper vote was counted – 28 seats. The electorate was boosted by 9 percent before elections. All of them used e-votes and voted for Eesti 200 or the Reform Party.

Helen Rebane, who left EKRE after taking over a thousand votes in Southeast Estonia at elections, told Postimees about her campaign efforts. "One thing people mentioned were Mart Helme's comments in the Riigikogu according to which Ukraine was about to fall and Russia to win. Because we are the only Estonian party that paid for buses to go there [to help people], why not concentrate on that?" Rebane also suggested that people were bothered by EKRE picking a public fight with the Defense Forces. I understand from this criticism that conflicts were sought in situations that could have been handled differently.

I cannot say why Rebane did not make more of an effort to explain that we sent buses. I will not be commenting on people airing their dirty laundry on the pages of newspapers, with every sentence betraying bitterness over failure to make the Riigikogu. There's no point.

The Center Party used to be critical of e-voting too. But Tanel Kiik said a few weeks ago that Center will have to explain e-voting to people so that the elderly would still get to vote for the party even if it rains on election day. He suggested that any party that keeps saying how e-voting is terrible is unlikely to get many electronic votes. Does that train of thought make sense to you?

Tanel Kiik has, therefore, done exactly what the [Postimees] editorial suggests, decided to lay down and take the beating quietly. Where this tactic has gotten the Center Party is clear from their election result. We will not become a poster child for an electoral system that has made sure a single party stays in power for 20 years.

Kiik, who is Center's chief whip in the Riigikogu, also said that Center is the leading opposition force. That they hold the post of Riigikogu vide president and their work is more constructive. How to measure who is the opposition leader?

It is mainly up to the public to decide to what extent someone is leading. I am not keeping score in terms of who has entered more bills into proceedings or burnt the midnight oil more often. We have a clear worldview to represent. We have clear messages for our voters, nor did they change once the elections were over.

On the contrary, we plan to focus on going back to the roots so to speak. We will continue to concentrate on protecting the normal family, protecting children. We are concentrating on being anti-immigration, on economic growth and people's prosperity. Those are the areas in which we plan to oppose the current government as best we can. We are driven and inspired by the desire not to let the government destroy Estonia.

EKRE said during its council meeting that it plans to work inside the confines of the Riigikogu Rules and Procedures Act to obstruct bills aimed at "tax hikes, [criminalizing] hate speech, legalizing gay marriage, slashing child benefits and otherwise harming society, people's coping and the Estonian economy." Have you found new ways of doing this in the Riigikogu Rules and Procedures Act? Because it seems to me that recent plays have been exhausted.

We have, and it will soon become evident what we will be doing and how. The rules and procedures have been analyzed from all angles. The important thing is for what we do in the parliament to resonate in the public sphere, merit public support. Those ends need to be tied together.

There is such a phenomenon as public opinion in politics, and it may prove quite difficult to get things done if public opinion is against you, even if you have the parliamentary majority. We aim to mobilize public opposition to the government's destructive policy.

Will you be joining in Center's Thursday protest meeting on Toompea Hill?

We will take our own steps. While there are mutually complementary aspects, they have their action plan and we have ours.

Tanel Kiik said that he is not in favor of obstruction tactics as that will see the government tie bills to a vote of confidence, which will cause them to be passed even more quickly. In the end, debate will suffer and the opposition will be overlooked altogether. How to combat that?

There will still be the first reading and the corresponding debate. And then we'll see where the breaking point is. If the government stars tying every bill to a confidence vote, that confidence will be eroded. The tactic definitely has its risks.

However, do you have levers for more effective stoppages?

More effective would stand for being able to completely block a bill from passing. We will have to wait and see, as the government's approach is clear. The nastiest bills will be introduced right away, without other bills making the rounds, which could be used to stall for time.

The Riigikogu's agenda is completely blank. It will be populated with taking away support from large families, tax hikes, gay marriage, the hate speech law, or effective censorship. And we will have to run obstruction in the confines of these few bills.

Keeping in mind that we can only throw up obstacles during the first reading because the government has been clear in that it plans to fire up the steamroller. I say again that this holds considerable risks in terms of general social mood, political temperature and capacity to govern. I think that such behavior will quickly render administration impossible in Estonia.

Eikä EKREllä olekaan mitään syytä vajota epätoivoon - uusimmat gallupit näyttävät selkeää "ostajan katumusta" äänestäjien taholta:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Estonian_parliamentary_election


Lisäksi EKRE on jo alkanut päästä siedettäviin väleihin muiden oppositiopuolueiden (Keskustan ja Isamaan) kanssa, mikä huolestuttaa liberaalihallitusta:

https://news.err.ee/1608976067/kaja-kallas-opposition-putting-on-a-spectable-in-the-riigikogu

The second aspect that baffles me about the whole scandal is how quickly the former EKREIKE triumvirate (Center, EKRE, Isamaa – ed.) has come together. It wasn't long ago when Isamaa was accusing the Reform Party of lumping them in together with the disgusting EKRE, even though the two apparently have nothing in common. Isamaa couldn't bring itself to backing EKRE's candidate for Riigikogu vice president as recently as three weeks ago. They found the party and its chairman that distasteful.

The hatchet seems thoroughly buried now, just as long as the sides can keep piling on state spending, while telling fairy tales to the people. Those honeyed words were disrupted for a moment when one of the Helme family voiced their displeasure over the planned car tax as Ukrainians in Estonia would not have to pay it.

In a situation where Ukrainians are paying for our freedom with their lives, whether a future car tax will affect them in Estonia or not should be the last thing on a normal party's mind. But apparently taking this view is entirely kosher for both Center and Isamaa. I find it to be utterly unacceptable.

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Nyt jopa yleensä heilahtelematon Kantar-gallup osoittaa monen virolaisäänestäjän tulleen ankaralle katumapäälle etteivät tukeneet EKREä viime vaaleissa:

Estonia, Kantar Emor poll:

R-RE: 23%
EKRE-ID: 23% (+6)
K-RE: 18% (+1)
E200→RE: 13% (-4)
SDE-S&D: 10% (-2)
I-EPP: 8% (+1)
P→EPP: 3% (-1)
ER-G/EFA: 2% (-1)
EÜVP-LEFT: 1%

+/- vs. 10-19 April 2023

Fieldwork: 10-17 May 2023
Sample size: 1,501

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— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) May 19, 2023

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Ja nyt sitten Viron kolmas huomattava gallup-toimisto (Norstatin ja Kantarin ohella), Turu-uuringute, osoittaa samaa kehitystä:

Estonia, Turu-uuringute poll

EKRE-ID: 24% (+4)
RE-RE: 23% (-3)
KE-RE: 16% (-1)
SDE-S&D: 13% (+3)
I-EPP: 9%
E200→RE: 8% (-2)
PP→EPP: 3%
EÜVP-LEFT: 1%
EER-G/EFA: 1% (-1)

+/- vs. 7-13 June 2023

Fieldwork: 3-13 August 2023
Sample size: 877

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— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) August 23, 2023

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Analyysi: Viron aseapu Ukrainaan tyrehtyi yhtäkkiä lähes täysin

https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/54ca3e30-e0e5-42d2-9a8a-bafd92fb52ee

Viron pääministeri Kaja Kallas ei puolusta Ukrainaa entiseen malliin. Viron sotilaallinen apu Ukrainalle on kuihtunut vain murto-osaan entisestä, kirjoittaa Sami Lotila.

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Kaja Kallas ei ole onnistunut panemaan stoppia hänen ympärillään Virossa pyörivään skandaaliin ja huhumyllyyn. Kallaksen miehen bisnekset Venäjällä ja pääministerin itsensä sekaantuminen niihin rahoittajana on teema, johon hänellä ei nyt olisi varaa. Eikä olisi Ukrainallakaan, sillä Kallaksen henkilökohtainen ongelma vie häneltä sitä aikaa ja myös uskottavuutta, jota hän tarvitsisi Ukrainan tukemiseen ja Venäjän tuomitsemiseen.

Kallaksen mediatiimi saisi kyllä järjestettyä hänelle haastatteluja ympäri maailman, mutta sitä se ei saa estettyä, että haastatteluissa keskustellaan myös Kallaksen ja hänen miehensä raha-asioista ja keskinäisestä suhteesta.
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Vaikutusvaltainen EU-asioita käsittelevä Politico-julkaisu kirjoitti hiljattain Kallaksen vaikeasta asemasta ja se teki sen samassa artikkelissa, missä se käsitteli Puolan ja Ukrainan välien viilentymistä. Politicon mukaan Kallaksen perheen Venäjä-kytkökset sekä vievät Kallakselta henkilökohtaista uskottavuutta että vaikeuttavat EU:n itäsiiven esiinmarssia Brysselissä.

Politico katsoo, että sota Ukrainassa on osaltaan antanut Itä-Euroopan maille mahdollisuuden oman vaikutusvaltansa kasvattamiseen unionissa, ovathan ne Euroopan etulinjassa Venäjää vastaan niin maantieteellisesti kuin henkisestikin. Kallaksen rahaepäselvyydet ja kasvojen menetys kotimaassa ovat vieneet terää tältä kehitykseltä.

Politico toteaa Kallaksen pysyneen skandaalin takia viime viikot hissukseen, minkä vuoksi Ukraina on menettänyt yhden vahvimmista puolestapuhujistaan länsimaiden pääkaupungeissa.

Kallaksen puolustukseksi voisi tosin todeta, että Virossa moni muukin taho pyörittää yhä bisnestä Venäjän suuntaan, ja näiden tahojen joukossa on myös tunnettuja virolaisia yrityksiä.

Viron yleisradioyhtiö ERR kertoi syyskuussa, että virolaiset yritykset käyvät venäläisten kauppakumppanien kanssa yhä kauppaa joka kuukausi kymmenillä miljoonilla euroilla. Virosta ja Viron kautta kulkee Venäjälle tavaraa ja palveluita euroissa mitattuna ihan yhtä paljon kuin ennen sodan käynnistymistä Ukrainassa.
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On siinä ”puolustus”.

Miksi Suomi ei käy kauppaa Venäjälle kuten ennen, kerta muutkin maat käyvät? Olemmeko hölmöjä?

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Viro on jo aiemmin ilmoittanut yrittävänsä saada Ukrainalle antamistaan ase- ja puolustustarvikkeista täyden kompensaation EU:n niin sanotusta rauhanrahastosta. Eli tammikuisesta apupaketistaan se haluaa 113 miljoonaa euroa, vaikka sen todellinen arvo on vain murto-osan siitä.

Tämän vuoden keväällä EU-diplomaatit ja -virkamiehet syyttivät Politico-julkaisussa Viroa siitä, miten se yrittää modernisoida omia asevarastojaan Ukrainan sodan varjolla, eli se lahjoittaa Ukrainalle varastojen vanhaa romua ja panee EU:n maksamaan sille uudet aseet ja varusteet.
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Viron hallituksen ja eri ministeriöiden mukaan Viro on antanut Ukrainalle sotilaallista apua yhteensä noin 400 miljoonalla eurolla. Tammikuun jälkeen Viron apu Ukrainalle näyttää kuitenkin olleen enää vain minimaalista.
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 Kesäkuussa Viro lähetti Ukrainaan kenttäsairaalan omasta varastostaan, kun Islanti suostui korvaamaan Virolle uuden vastaavanlaisen 7,8 miljoonalla eurolla. Samalla kertaa Viro lähetti Ukrainan armeijalle kumiveneitä, dronentorjuntavälineitä ja pomminpurkajien varustusta, mutta ei eritellyt niiden hintaa.
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Tämän vuoden aikana Viro on itse saanut kumppaneiltaan enemmän rahaa maanpuolustukseen kuin mitä se on antanut tukena Ukrainalle. Esimerkiksi kesäkuussa Viro sai Natolta 40 miljoonaa euroa sotilasinfrastruktuurinsa kehittämiseen.

Rahaa puolustusvalmiutensa nostamiseen Viro saa myös Euroopan unionista, ja suoraan ainakin Yhdysvalloilta.

Syy Viron sotilaallisen avun hiipumiselle Ukrainalle löytyy samasta lähteestä kuin syy pääministeri Kaja Kallaksen hiipumiselle Ukrainan puolestapuhujana, eli Viron sisäpolitiikasta.

Virossa parlamentin oppositio on kritisoinut hallitusta ärhäkkäästi sitä, miten paljon se jakaa Viron omia aseita ja ammuksia Ukrainalle. Opposition ja etenkin Viron konservatiivisen kansanpuolueen Ekren mukaan Viron oma maanpuolustuskyky kärsii siitä. Ainakin osassa kannatuskyselyjä Ekre on noussut Viron suosituimmaksi puolueeksi ohi Kallaksen Reformipuolueen.

Ekrekään ei vastusta Ukrainan auttamista, mutta sen mukaan etusijalla pitää aina olla Viron oma kyky puolustautua. Viron asevarastoissa ei yksinkertaisesti ole enää juuri mitään annettavaa, jos puolustuskyvystä halutaan pitää kiinni.

Viron hallituksen ja Reformipuolueen on pakko ottaa kritiikki tosissaan tai muuten se jää Ekren jalkoihin.

Toinen syy Viron sotilaallisen avun hiipumiselle on rahan puute. Viron talouskasvu on ollut jo pitkään negatiivinen, valtiontalous pyörii miinuksella ja sen rahoitusvaje kasvaa, mutta hallitus yrittää selvitä ilman lisävelan ottamista — mikä käytännössä merkitsee rajuja säästötalkoita hallinnon kaikilla osa-alueilla. Samaan aikaan Viro aikoo silti nostaa puolustusmenonsa ensin kolmeen ja ensi vuonna jo 3,2 prosenttiin bruttokansantuotteesta.

Artikkeliin pyydettiin kommentteja Viron puolustusministeriöstä ja ulkoministeriöstä, mutta ne jäivät saamatta. Artikkelia varten oltiin yhteydessä myös Kielin maailmantalouden instituuttiin, joka ylläpitää ja päivittää Ukraine Support Tracker -sivustoa.

Mitäpä tähän paheksunnan lisäksi muuta voi kuin ilmaista ihailunsa, että etelän virukset osaavat hoitaa itsenäisyyttään paremmin kuin pohjoisen porot.

Suomi ei pääse irti edes Ottawan miinakieltosopimuksesta, vaikka se olisi ilmaista.

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On syytäkin, että Naton aseapu Viron suuntaan on nettopositiivinen Viron kannalta.

Virolla on kuitenkin ihan sama naapuri kuin Ukrainallakin, ja olisi typerää tehdä ryssät, eli heikentää rajaa yhtäällä ja vahvistaa toisaalla.

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On syytäkin, että Naton aseapu Viron suuntaan on nettopositiivinen Viron kannalta.

Virolla on kuitenkin ihan sama naapuri kuin Ukrainallakin, ja olisi typerää tehdä ryssät, eli heikentää rajaa yhtäällä ja vahvistaa toisaalla.

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Ja on järkevää jatkaa Venäjän kanssa kauppaa kuten ennen sotaakin. Kysymys kuuluukin, miksi pitää teeskennellä mitään muuta, paitsi tietenkin Hölmölässä jossa aidosti ja oikeasti lopetetaan venäjänkauppa.

Onko Suomikin tajunnut lahjoittaa romunsa Ukrainaan ja kupannut jostain (mistä?) uutta tuliterää kampetta tilalle?

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Ja on järkevää jatkaa Venäjän kanssa kauppaa kuten ennen sotaakin. Kysymys kuuluukin, miksi pitää teeskennellä mitään muuta, paitsi tietenkin Hölmölässä jossa aidosti ja oikeasti lopetetaan venäjänkauppa.

Onko Suomikin tajunnut lahjoittaa romunsa Ukrainaan ja kupannut jostain (mistä?) uutta tuliterää kampetta tilalle?

Niin. Joko kaikki käy kauppaa tai kukaan ei käy kauppaa, jos ryssä oikeasti haluttaisiin polvilleen.

Mutta kaikki varmaan muistavat jonkun valkovenäläisen Välimeren kalan, jota 2014 pakotteiden aikaan Valko-Venäjä möi Venäjälle, vaikka näiltä meren rantaan on aika pitkä matka. Kalan alkuperämaa taisi olla Italia, joka valkovenäläisen pakkaamon/tukkurin kautta kiersi pakotteita 6-0.

Suomi on lahjoittanut paljon sellaista ampumatarviketta, missä on "päiväys ollut menossa umpeen". Yleensä tällaista tavaraa poistetaan kovapanosammunnoissa ja jossain Rovajärvellä tms. ihan räjäyttämällä pois. Tilalle tulee jatkuvalla syötöllä uutta materiaalia. Nyt noita vanhemmasta päästä on poistettu mm. Ukrainaan. Varmaan mennyt myös kuranttia uutta tavaraa, joiden tilalle ei välttämättä heti ole saatu uutta. Mutta ainakin mediassa ja asiantuntijoiden puheesta päätellen lahjoituksia ei ole tehty oman puolustusvalmiuden kustannuksella.

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Isamaa ampuu ylöspäin, cuckservatiivisen Reformipuolueen rapistuessa, mutta EKRE:kin saa osansa noususta:

Estonia, Kantar Emor poll:

I-EPP: 25% (+6)
EKRE-ID: 21% (+4)
RE-RE: 16% (-4)
KE-RE: 13% (-1)
SDE-S&D: 13% (-2)
E200-RE: 6% (-1)
PP→EPP: 3% (-1)
EER-G/EFA: 2% (-1)
EÜVP-LEFT: 0% (-1)

+/- vs. 13-18 October 2023

Fieldwork: 16-22 November 2023
Sample size: 1,494

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— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) November 24, 2023

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Onko kellään tietoa mistä johtuu Isamaan nousu johtuu?

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Ihan vaan varoituksen sana: EKRE:llä on pian puoluekokous, ja näyttää siltä että heillä saattaa olla edessä samanlainen traumaattinen välienselvittely kuin persuilla kesäkuussa 2017. Monet puolueessa tuntuvat kyllästyneen siihen että puolue on ikään kuin Helmen perheen yksityisomaisuutta, ja Helme puolestaan jo etukäteen syyttää heitä "vallankaappausyrityksestä." Meno voi mennä rumaksi:

https://news.err.ee/1609366001/martin-helme-they-want-a-coup-within-ekre

Martin Helme: They want a coup within EKRE

ERR

Yesterday at 18.39

Backing opposing candidate Silver Kuusik ahead of the elections for chair of the Conservative People's Party of Estonia (EKRE) are Jaak Valge and Henn Põlluaas, who want a coup within the party and want to turn EKRE into a mainstream political party, said current EKRE chair Martin Helme in an appearance on Tre Raadio's "Räägime asjast."

Silver Kuusik, who announced his candidacy for EKRE chair in mid-May, is not an independent political figure; he's a figurehead backed by those who want to precipitate a coup, Helme said on Tre Raadio.

"Chiefly behind Kuusik are Jaak Valge and Henn Põlluaas, well-known and respected within our party, which is too bad," he said. "Their main agenda is to turn EKRE into a mainstream party so that we'll be liked by our ideological opponents. And I don't agree with that agenda."

The incumbent chair added that disagrees even more with the tactics being used to try to stage the coup.

"In particular, these tactics involve sending libelous and false emails within the party, for example to the [party] board, and then leaking them to the press so that I and the party then have to explain that things aren't really like that," Helme described. "All these stories about how we have huge scandals and issues in our finance – absolutely false."

He stressed that for him, such actions are completely unacceptable.

"I have no problem with people running against me and offering an alternative platform," he explained. "But to take leaks to the press and cause the party a lot of trouble in the media, blemishing the party's lead candidate in order to gain some sort of advantage at the party congress is undermining the party's election result. That is absolutely unacceptable practice."

Helme claimed that earlier in the week, he met with Silver Kuusik and Jaak Valge, who essentially gave him an ultimatum.

"They said, 'Martin, are you interested in avoiding a rift in the party?'" he recalled. "I said of course I was, what are we even talking about. [They said] 'Here's the deal – that Silver Kuusik may not run for chair, but in that case it needs to be agreed that he'll become deputy chair.' I'd point out that these are people who talk about increasing democracy within the party."

Secondly, they wanted Mart Helme to resign as deputy chair of the party, to be replaced by Kuusik. Valge and Kuusik likewise wanted that, going forward, all decisions would be made by the party board, from staff all the way through political decisions.

According to Helme, the two also said that the party's public spokespeople need to change. They believe that Moonika Helme and Kert Kingo have spoken out too much in the Riigikogu as well as publicly, and shouldn't be covered at least by EKRE's own online news portal "Uued Uudised."

Kuusk and Valge likewise want the party's communication style and tone to change.

EKRE deputy chair Mart Helme said that if people feel like they've become estranged from EKRE's style and principles and that things should change moving forward, then they should- either find enough supporters for their perceptions within the party or quit the party. He doesn't believe those interested in a coup within EKRE have enough supporters.

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Joo-o, nyt on Viron kansallismielisten keskuudessa ilkeä sisäinen välienselvittely käsillä nähtävästi:

EU27: Member of the European Parliament (MEP) Jaak Madison leaves the right-wing EKRE (ID). This follows a move by the party board to expel several key members ahead of the party's leadership election this weekend.

EKRE has hereby lost the only representative in the European… pic.twitter.com/Y2lOyvoCDL

— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) June 12, 2024

[sancai]

Joo-o, nyt on Viron kansallismielisten keskuudessa ilkeä sisäinen välienselvittely käsillä nähtävästi:

EU27: Member of the European Parliament (MEP) Jaak Madison leaves the right-wing EKRE (ID). This follows a move by the party board to expel several key members ahead of the party's leadership election this weekend.

EKRE has hereby lost the only representative in the European… pic.twitter.com/Y2lOyvoCDL

— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) June 12, 2024

Saadaanko hänestä vahvistus ECR-ryhmään?

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EKRE on halkeamassa kahtia:

https://news.err.ee/1609368596/four-leading-ekre-members-expelled-in-party-s-night-of-the-long-knives

Henn Põlluaas had doubled down on his earlier statements to the effect that he heard EKRE's founder, Mart Helme, father of Martin, refer approvingly to Russia waging a "holy war" in Ukraine.

Põlluaas said: "This was definitely the case as he quoted Patriarch Kirill (head of the Russian Orthodox Church – ed.) that Russia is waging a 'holy war' and so on."

"He rounded off with the sentence 'and I support that.' I talked about it later with several party members who were also extremely shocked by the words, but who up to now had not ventured to admit that," Põlluaas went on.

"But unfortunately, the situation is such that lies and demagoguery were used to first eliminate a competitor for the party leadership position, plus their supporters were eliminated, and all sorts of fabricated accusations were imputed to us, none of which have any basis," said Põlluaas.

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Oh hoh, tässä nyt näkyy millaisia johtopäätöksiä tuolla Virossa on vedetty persujen flopista eurovaaleissa:

https://news.err.ee/1609366931/helme-ekre-debate-over-going-mainstream-on-since-election

Conservative People's Party (EKRE) leader Martin Helme told Vikerraadio that the debate over whether the national conservatives should change tactics to be included in a coalition has been raging since Riigikogu elections. Party member Jaak Valge described the differences as bridgeable.

"EKRE has a relatively small but influential group of people who would like to change course and change it fundamentally. While they're trying to dress it up as stylistic and tactical adjustment, their goal is very simple – to make the Conservative People's Party palatable for liberals or the political mainstream," Helme said.

"This idea that pleasing them would help us be included in a coalition government. But I would ask what good is winning the world if you have to sell your soul to do it. I take the opposite view – making the government requires getting enough votes, and once you do, it doesn't matter who likes or dislikes you. Mathematics determine your chances of being included," Helme said.

"The debate has been ongoing since Riigikogu elections [in March]. Neither side has managed to convince the other," the EKRE chairman noted.

"European elections demonstrated how the True Finns' voters liked their shift toward the mainstream and the party joining the government at the expense of some of their principles. They didn't like it. We will stick with our line and fundamentally protecting the interests of our voters, knowing very well that it will never be approved by the so-called liberal base consensus."

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Nyt on sitten ollut ison tason potkuja ja eroamisia EKRE:ssä - Helmet "iskivät ensin" ja tekivät sen mitä Soini olisi luultavasti halunnut tehdä persujen nuivalle siivelle, eli puhdistaa heidät puolueesta ennen kuin he ehtisivät kaataa hänet.

Helme yrittää nyt esittää urheaa, ja ehkä hänellä on kuin onkin aito vakaumus että tässä nyt hoideltiin petturit ennen kuin he ehtivät nostaa päätään:

https://news.err.ee/1609371524/alar-laneman-quits-ekre-leo-kunnas-the-party-s-riigikogu-group

EKRE group down from 17 members to 11

EKRE got 17 seats after the 2023 Riigikogu elections. With Laneman and Kunnas out, the party's Riigikogu representation falls to just 11 members, following the departures of Kalle Grünthal, Henn Põlluaas, Jaak Valge and Ants Frosch.

EKRE deputy chair Mart Helme said that he is not particularly sad to see any of them go.

"We destroyed this whole network that certain forces had infiltrated us with. And those who were just whiners," Helme told ERR Wednesday, adding that more than a few former and even current EKRE members may have had "parallel tasks."

Asked to elaborate, Helme said: "Parallel tasks in terms of some people's backgrounds in security services. /.../ It is clear that there are people here in whose case it is being decided right now whether it's better to leave them where they are as quiet moles, or whether they should be made to leave the Riigikogu group with as much ado and scandal as possible."

Mart Helme also said that allegations according to which he justified and said he supported Russia's holy war in Ukraine are completely false and that he is insulted.

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Mielenkiintoista kehitystä - EKRE:n ainoa EU-kansanedustaja, Jaak Madison, on liittymässä Viron "keskustapuolueeseen," joka on kuitenkin viime aikoina alkanut profiloitua yhä enemmän venäläisvähemmistön identiteettipuolueeksi - mutta on toisaalta nähtävästi myös omaksumassa venäläisväestön kovemman konservatiivisemmat asenteet, alkaen vastustaa liberaalimädätystä, mikä saataa vetää puoleensa joitain sellaisia ex-EKREläisiä jotka eivät usko jonkin upouuden puolueen menestymismahdollisuuksiin:

EU27: Member of the European Parliament (MEP) Jaak Madison (*-ECR) joins the centrist KE (RE). This follows his move to leave the right-wing EKRE (PfE) after the party board expelled several key members ahead of the party’s leadership election in June. As a result of this move,… pic.twitter.com/onkXp3CRdH

— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) August 22, 2024

https://news.err.ee/1609430209/analyst-erk-success-depends-on-standing-out-among-conservative-parties

Political scientist Tõnis Leht said that competition has become fierce on the conservative wing.

"Should ERK succeed in getting off the mark, building a party organization and fine-tuning its messages, we might see three national conservative parties at the next Riigikogu elections. That said, everyone will probably have to make do with fewer mandates."

Leht added that the Center Party is also inching closer to the conservative worldview.

"It is by no means out of the question that this more conservatively inclined bloc will give liberal parties a run for their money in terms of summary vote yield," Leht remarked.