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« Vastaus #17670 : 19.02.2017, 02:18:45 »
Venäläisiä sisäpiiriläisiä loikkasi Ukrainaan ja todistaa Janukovitsin maanpetosoikeudenkäynnissä:

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/loikkaus%20kreml%20paattajat%20putin-61709

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Moskovan sisäpiiriin kuulunut poliitikkopariskunta loikkasi Ukrainaan.


Venäjältä Ukrainaan loikanneita entisiä parlamenttiedustajia Denis Voronenkovia ja Maria Maksakovaa haastatellut The Daily Beast -lehti pitää kaksikkoa osana Kremlin entistä sisäpiiriä. Nyt he ovat loikkareita, jotka voivat paljastaa Venäjän johdon salaisuuksia.

Kaksikolle on myönnetty turvapaikka Ukrainasta. Maksakovan ja Voronenkovin kerrotaan olevan valmiita "kertomaan oikeudessa Venäjän ylimmän johdon toiminnasta".

– Yhdysvaltojen pitäisi ymmärtää, että Vladimir Putin ja hänen kaverinsa uskovat, että hän pyörittää maapalloa jaloillaan kuin jalkapalloa, Voronenkov sanoo.

Voronenkov on entinen tiedustelupalvelu FSB:n upseeri. Hänen mukaansa FSB ei enää vain kuuntele venäläisiä ja näiden puheluita, vaan hyökkää myös vieraita valtioita vastaan.

Voronenkov aikoo todistaa Ukrainan entistä presidenttiä Viktor Janukovitshia vastaan maaliskuussa järjestettävässä maanpetosoikeudenkäynnissä.

– Janukovitsh kutsui Kremlin lähettämään armeijan Ukrainaan tappamaan ukrainalaisia. Hän on rikollinen ja jos Putin tukee häntä, minä en tue Putinia.

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« Vastaus #17671 : 19.02.2017, 17:41:30 »
Vuonna 1954  helmikuun 19. päivänä NL:n korkein neuvosto siirsi Voroshilovin allekirjoittamalla määräyksellä  Krimin Venäjästä Ukrainaan Hrutshevin ollessa Ukrainan puoluejohtajana.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2017/02/19/etot-den-v-istorii-1954-god-krym-peredan-ukraine



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« Vastaus #17672 : 20.02.2017, 17:30:49 »
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Maidan dream still burns in beleaguered Ukraine

Three years after carnage in Kiev, war and corruption have not killed hope

Serhiy shifts his weight on his crutch, takes a deep breath, and starts to explain how Ukraine has changed since its pro-western revolution ended in carnage on Kiev’s Maidan square three years ago.

“Almost everything is worse,” says the former soldier, who was wounded fighting Russian-led separatists near their stronghold of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

“People are too poor to pay their rent and bills. As a veteran with invalid status I get about 1,700 hryvnia (€59), but soon they’ll stop paying it and I can’t find any work. But I’m not just talking about soldiers – for a grandmother on a pension of 1,200 hryvnia (€42) it’s even worse.”

Serhiy was among hundreds of servicemen and their supporters who attended a concert near Maidan this weekend, to pay tribute to soldiers killed in February 2015 during a heavy defeat at the strategic eastern town of Debaltseve.

Many of the concertgoers described Ukraine’s tortuous recent years – from the Maidan protests and the ousting of Ukraine’s Kremlin-backed president Viktor Yanukovich, through Russia’s annexation of Crimea and fomenting of a separatist conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk regions – as part of the same, grinding war.

For them and most other Ukrainians, the main enemies of Maidan are still to be vanquished: the “oligarchs” who control the nation’s politics and business; corrupt officials, judges and prosecutors who do their bidding; and a Russia whose leader, Vladimir Putin, cannot allow a pro-western, reformist Ukraine to prosper.

“We all supported Maidan, many of us were on the square, and we still support what it stood for,” says a former soldier from 12th battalion of Ukraine’s territorial defence force, who would only give his nom de guerre, Volk (Wolf).

“But we see oligarchs and thieves still in power, and that’s not what we want.”

“We don’t have any trust in our so-called leaders – none of them have earned the right to be called leaders.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/maidan-dream-still-burns-in-beleaguered-ukraine-1.2981174
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« Vastaus #17673 : 20.02.2017, 22:01:46 »
http://anttijuhanikasvio.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/231826-trumpin-hallinnon-emamunaus
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Trumpin hallinnon emämunaus

Mediat ovat kiinnittäneet Suomessa päähuomionsa presidentti Trumpin perättömiin väitteisiin Ruotsissa muka tapahtuneesta terrori-iskusta. Niiden varjoon on aihettomasti jäänyt New York Timesin eilen julkaisema todella sensaatiomainen uutinen turvallisuusneuvonantaja Michael T. Flynnille viikkoa ennen tämän eroa luovutetusta Venäjän talouspakotteiden lopettamista koskevasta salaisesta suunnitelmasta.

Outo tekijäjoukko

Suunnitelman ovat laatineet Donald Trumpin henkilökohtaisena asianajana toimiva Michael D. Cohen, Trumpia Venäjä-yhteyksien rakentamisessa auttanut venäläissyntyinen hämäräliikemies Felix H. Sater sekä ukrainalainen oppositiopoliitikko Andrii V. Artemenko. Viimemainitulla on läheiset suhteet Venäjälle paennutta maan entistä presidenttiä ja sittemmin Donald Trumpia avustaneen Paul Manafortin kanssa.

Suunnitelman mukaan talouspakotteista päästäisiin sopimalla itä-Ukrainan taistelujen lopettamisesta, venäläisjoukkojen vetäytymisestä, separatistialueiden itsehallinnosta ja Krimin vuokraamisesta Venäjälle noin viidenkymmenen-sadan vuoden ajaksi.

Artemenkon mukaan suunnitelman laatimiselle oli saatu presidentti Putinin korkeatasoisen avustajan siunaus. Tänään tosin Kremlin tiedottaja Dmitri Peskov kiirehti vakuuttamaan, ettei heillä ole ollut mitään tietoa moisen suunnitelman olemassaolosta.

Trumpin rooli suunnitelman laatimisessa

Kuten New York Times uutisjutussaan totesi, siinä ei ole mitään laitonta että yksityishenkilöt laativat tällaisia suunnitelmia ja toimittavat niitä esimerkiksi presidentin turvallisuuspoliittisen neuvonantajan nähtäväksi. Mutta kun presidentti itse on juuri kiistänyt jyrkästi kaikki Venäjä-yhteytensä kahta presidentti Putinin kanssa käytyä puhelinkeskustelua lukuunottamatta ja kun Yhdysvaltain turvallisuusviranomaiset parhaillaan selvittävät hänen organisaationsa jäsenten tämänsuuntaisia yhteyksiä, paljastus on äärimmäisen nolo.

On itsestään selvää, etteivät Trumpin oma juristi ja hänen läheinen liikekumppaninsa missään tapauksessa lähtisi tekemään tällaista työtä ilman Trumpin siunausta tai suorastaan toimeksiantoa. Skandaalimaista on sekin, että Yhdysvaltain hallinnolle laadittavalle salaiselle suunnitelmalle kysytään lupa Kremlillä ennen sen toimittamista eteenpäin. Työn jäljestä näkee suunnitelman laatijoiden olevan ulkopolitiikan alueella täysiä amatöörejä, minkä miehet toki itsekin tunnustavat.

Mistä tapahtunut kertoo?

Tapahtunut kertoo kolme tärkeää asiaa. Ensinnäkin presidentti Putinilla on ilmeisesti oman asemansa turvaamiseksi kova tarve päästä mahdollisimman nopeasti eroon Venäjää vastaan suunnatuista talouspakotteista. Toiseksi presidentti Trumpilla on ollut kova tarve auttaa venäläistä virkaveljeään tuon tavoitteen saavuttamisessa. Kolmanneksi ongelman äärimmäisen kömpelö ratkaisuyritys huutaa taivaaseen saakka presidentti Trumpin ja hänen tiiminsä kyvyttömyyttä selvitä maan johtamisen vaatimista tehtävistä.


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« Vastaus #17674 : 22.02.2017, 12:28:42 »
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Ex-presidentti Janukovitsh pyytää Trumpia lopettamaan Ukrainan sodan

http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/ex-presidentti-janukovitsh-pyytaa-trumpia-lopettamaan-ukrainan-sodan/752454/
https://pohjolangalapagos.wordpress.com/

Jos olisi pakko valita isänmaaksi joko Suomi tai kiljuämpäri, kumman valitsisit?

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« Vastaus #17675 : 22.02.2017, 16:53:34 »
Ukrainan entinen pääministeri on viimeinkin selvittänyt kuka ampui mielenosoittajia.
Lainaus
Three years ago this week, dozens of people, protesters and police alike, were gunned down in Kiev by mysterious snipers, leading to intensified pressure against authorities and culminating in the Maidan coup. Three years on, ex-Prime Minister Mykola Azarov has compiled his take on the snipers' identity. But Kiev is trying to destroy the evidence.

In a detailed post on his Facebook page on Tuesday, complete with photo and video evidence, Azarov dropped a bombshell, writing that "today we, and investigators in Kiev as well, have reliable information about the fact that the murders on the Maidan were carried out by special groups of snipers from Georgia, the Baltic countries and Poland, under the guidance of instructors from France and Germany."

These groups, Azarov said, "were provided with cover and diversionary actions by shooters from the 'Maidan Self-Defense' group under the direction of [Andriy] Parubiy and [Serhiy] Pashinsky," the former now serving as speaker of Ukraine's parliament, and the latter an MP and former interim head of the presidential administration.

Going into more detail, Azarov explained that "the Georgian group, consisting of 10 people, was placed in the Conservatory building [which overlooks Maidan Square]. The identities of three of them have been confirmed by photographs taken by Ukrainian Security Forces staff, and it has been established that they are Georgian nationals. On February 20, [2014] this group divided into two. One of them fired from the Conservatory Building, the other from the Hotel Ukraine Building."

"However, after three years, even the biased investigators have proven unable to prove the unprovable. 'The blood of the innocent people who died is on the conscience of the criminals who seized power in Ukraine', and this is an indisputable fact," Azarov added.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050940444-azarov-maidan-sniper-deaths-investigation/
https://www.facebook.com/Nikolay.Azarov/photos/a.211240382249678.52671.210998898940493/1507497142623989/?type=3&theater
Makes sense. Ainoat jotka hyötyi ampumisesta oli juurikin Pro-Ukraina/Läntiset voimat jotka halusi kaataa Pro-Russia hallituksen.  Janukovitsh:lla ei ollut yhtään syytä ampua Maidanin mielenosoittajia noin taktisessa mielessä, vaikka varmasti toki olisi halunnut nähdä heidät kuolleena. Hyvin toteutettu regime-change länsimailta. Mahtaakohan Ranska ja Saksa kuitenkaan olla tämän takana...
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« Vastaus #17676 : 23.02.2017, 00:08:45 »
Lainaus
Teen 'Suicide Games' Send Shudders Through Russian-Speaking World
Lainaus
At a hearing on February 16 of Russia's Public Chamber to discuss proposed legislation increasing punishments for inciting suicide, members heard allegations that Blue Whale had been created by "Ukrainian nationalists" as "a professionally prepared campaign that has caught up at least 2 million youths," according to a report of the meeting in the daily Kommersant.

Lainaus
"I want to play the game," an RFE/RL correspondent wrote after creating a fake profile for a 15-year-old girl on the popular Russian social-media site VKontakte.

"Are you sure? There is no way back," responded a so-called curator of the Blue Whale game.

"Yes. What does that mean -- no way back?"

"You can't leave the game once you begin."

"I'm ready." Then the curator explained the rules.

"You carry out each task diligently, and no one must know about it. When you finish a task, you send me a photo. And at the end of the game, you die. Are you ready?"

"And if I want to get out?"

"I have all your information. They will come after you."

The first task assigned to RFE/RL's imaginary Internet user is to scratch the symbol "F58" into her arm. A photoshopped image was sent, but the curator stopped responding.

Over the course of about a week, RFE/RL managed to contact more than a dozen self-proclaimed current and former players and several curators.

"I am your personal whale," another curator wrote, explaining that the game consisted of 50 tasks spread over 50 days. "I will help you take the game all the way to the end. The last day is the end of the game. If you die, you win. If you don't, we will help you. Are you ready?"

Lainaus
Over the last six months or so, dozens of suicides and attempted suicides in Russia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan have been provisionally linked to the game, although on closer inspection none of them has been found to have a conclusive tie.
Lainaus
Concern about the game was piqued by a much-criticized article in Novaya Gazeta in May that claimed, among other things and seemingly without justification, that the "vast majority" of the roughly 130 youth suicides in Russia between November 2015 and April 2016 were tied to the Blue Whale phenomenon. The paper published an equally alarming follow-up article on February 16.

http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-teen-suicide-blue-whale-internet-social-media-game/28322884.html
https://pohjolangalapagos.wordpress.com/

Jos olisi pakko valita isänmaaksi joko Suomi tai kiljuämpäri, kumman valitsisit?

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« Vastaus #17677 : 24.02.2017, 10:58:23 »
http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/21/ukraines-population-continues-to-dwindle/

Ukraina oli jo ennen sotaa säälittävä maa, minkä väestö oli jyrkässä laskukierteessä. En kyllä ymmärrä, miksi kukaan viitsii Ukrainassa sotia maansa puolesta, kun kuitenkin kaikki nuoret haaveilee maan jättämistä kävi miten kävi.

Lainaus
Ukraine’s population decreased by about 170,000 people in 2016, the government reported last month, underscoring a demographic trend that began after the country declared its independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, and which threatens to derail the country’s political and economic development.

By the end of 2016, Ukraine’s population had decreased by about 9.5 million from its 1993 peak of 52,244,100—a net 18 percent drop

The State Statistics Service of Ukraine reported the leading cause of death in 2016 was heart disease (68 percent of deaths), followed by cancer (18 percent of deaths).

According to faculty at the Kyiv National Economic University, the country’s persistently high mortality rate is due to low-quality health care, an increase in the number of epidemic diseases, and the widespread abuse of alcohol and drugs.

Also, the life expectancy difference of 10 years between Ukrainian men and women (66 and 76 years, respectively) is the fifth-biggest among all countries in the world, highlighting how lifestyle choices among Ukrainian men, particularly their proneness to alcoholism, contributes to a high mortality rate.

According to a 2012 UNICEF study, 50.7 percent of all married Ukrainian women did not want a child in the next two years. The average ideal family size in Ukraine, according to the report, was 1.9 children.

As a point of comparison, according to a 2013 Gallup poll, Americans said the ideal number of children per family was 2.6.

And for those Ukrainians wishing to start families, many would choose to do so in another country if they could.

Rampant corruption, years of war, and economic and political instability have collectively fostered a pessimistic attitude among many young Ukrainians about their country’s future. Consequently, many young Ukrainians, millennials in particular, have moved abroad in search of work, or would choose to do so if they had the opportunity.

“I’d say 80 percent of my friends are already abroad or plan to move abroad,” 21-year-old Valentyn Onyshchenko told The Daily Signal.

This correspondent asked a group of high school students in Kyiv if they would rather stay in Ukraine or move abroad. Only one student out of 17 preferred to live in Ukraine—he wanted to be a priest.

According to a 2015 survey jointly funded by the United Nations and the Ukrainian government, 55 percent of Ukrainians aged 14 to 35 said they would choose to move abroad temporarily, or for good.

From 2009 to 2014, the number of Ukrainian students studying abroad increased by 79 percent.

Ukrainian births have continued to decline. There were more than 365,000 births in Ukraine in 2016, down from about 412,000 in 2015, and 466,000 in 2014.

“Since 1991, there have been always more deaths than births in Ukraine,” Fedets said.

Ukraine’s abortion and marriage rates have both declined since the Soviet Union’s breakup, underscoring Ukrainians’ reluctance to start families and have children.

Ukraine’s marriage rate decreased from 9.3 marriages per 1,000 people in 1990 to 7.8 marriages per 1,000 people in 2015, according to government data.

The reduction in Ukraine’s abortion rate has been more dramatic.

In 1990, according to the World Health Organization, Ukraine registered about 1,550 abortions for every 1,000 births—about 7.8 times higher than the average rate that year among countries that would ultimately comprise the European Union in 1993.
http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/21/ukraines-population-continues-to-dwindle/
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« Vastaus #17678 : 24.02.2017, 11:05:57 »
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...This correspondent asked a group of high school students in Kyiv if they would rather stay in Ukraine or move abroad. Only one student out of 17 preferred to live in Ukraine—he wanted to be a priest...

Joko saadaan viisumivapaus ukrainalaisille? Se olisi aivan fantastinen askel Ukrainan irrottamiseksi Venäjän vaikutuspiiristä. Myös Valko-Venäjä tulisi liittää Shengen-alueeseen niin pian kuin mahdollista.

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« Vastaus #17679 : 24.02.2017, 12:06:59 »
Ukraina on ollut alusta lähtien Venäjän pelikenttä. Tämän ovat tienneet kaikki entisen neuvostoliiton kansalaiset. Vapaaehtoisia sotilaita ei ole löytynyt Ukrainan avuksi siinä mittakaavassa mitä olisi haluttu.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/06/ukraine-detained-french-citizen-plotting-euro-2016-attacks
Tämä on osa sitä mitä länsimaat etsivät tästä "sodasta". (länsimaat=länsimäinen osa liittoutuneista)
Tapahtumasta kuvattu video paljasti tahattomasti kupletin juonen.

Lainaus
"today we, and investigators in Kiev as well, have reliable information about the fact that the murders on the Maidan were carried out by special groups of snipers from Georgia, the Baltic countries and Poland, under the guidance of instructors from France and Germany."

Makes sense. Ainoat jotka hyötyi ampumisesta oli juurikin Pro-Ukraina/Läntiset voimat jotka halusi kaataa Pro-Russia hallituksen.  Janukovitsh:lla ei ollut yhtään syytä ampua Maidanin mielenosoittajia noin taktisessa mielessä, vaikka varmasti toki olisi halunnut nähdä heidät kuolleena. Hyvin toteutettu regime-change länsimailta. Mahtaakohan Ranska ja Saksa kuitenkaan olla tämän takana...

Suora sormella osoittaminen "syyllisiin" paljastaa aika paljon. Jaltan sopimus voi hyvin.
HOMOT LINNAAN Haavisto presidentiksi 2018

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« Vastaus #17680 : 25.02.2017, 10:35:37 »
Lainaus

Governor of Nikolaev region says the region is 65% separatist.

The head of the Nikolaev Regional State Administration Alexei Savchenko on the occasion of the termination of powers of the deputies wrote a speech in which he called the area "65% separatist."

It was published in the closed parliamentary group BPP [Bloc Petro Poroshenko -- tr].

In his statement Savchenko describes the conditions in which he has to work, and claims that 65% of the population are "latent separatists."

"Today, I run one of the most important and problematic areas of our state. In it, 65% are latent separatists, and the majority of the population speaks in Russian. The Nikolaev region has always voted for the Party of Regions, and then - for the opposition bloc. Even Kherson is more pro-Ukrainian! " said Savchenko.

According to him, this situation has arisen as a result of total industrial ruin: many large companies have gone bankrupt, business is in decline, the infrastructure is destroyed.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/governor-calls-nikolaev-oblast-65.html
Ilmeisesti kauppasota Venäjää vastaa on iskenyt kovimmin juurikin maan Etelä ja Itä-osiin.

Alempi kuva: Women of Donbass.  ;D
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« Vastaus #17681 : 01.03.2017, 17:34:23 »
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A December survey by the Kiev Internation Institute of Sociology, Ukraine's top pollster, found that 51 percent of respondents in the country's south, and 57 percent in the Kiev-controlled but restive east continue to regard the revolution that brought the current Kiev authorities to power as an "illegal armed coup." In the more nationalist west of the country, and mixed central regions, from 80 percent to 60 percent regard the Maidan revolt as a "popular revolution."
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0228/In-Ukraine-blockade-threatens-to-force-issue-at-heart-of-civil-war
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« Vastaus #17682 : 02.03.2017, 05:46:19 »
Omaisuuden ryöstely alkoi Itä-Ukrainassa. Oikealla asiallahan kapinalliset ovat joidenkin mielestä?
www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201703012200079104_ul.shtml
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« Vastaus #17683 : 03.03.2017, 17:30:04 »
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https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703031051230434-poroshenko-trump-meeting-troubles/

Coincidence? Trump Gives Poroshenko Cold Shoulder, Congress Cuts War Aid to Kiev
The long-awaited meeting between Petro Poroshenko and Donald Trump, expected to take place late last month, never materialized. Instead, the leaders ended up holding telephone talks, details of which remained undisclosed. Ukrainian observers are concerned that Trump's cold shoulder indicates that Washington's patronage for Kiev is coming to an end.
Trumpia ei kiinnosta Ukrainan kohtalo.
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« Vastaus #17684 : 03.03.2017, 17:39:45 »
Omaisuuden ryöstely alkoi Itä-Ukrainassa. Oikealla asiallahan kapinalliset ovat joidenkin mielestä?
www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201703012200079104_ul.shtml

Kyllä meidän nyt pitää lähteä pelastamaan Rinat-paran rehellisellä työllä ansaitsemaa omaisuutta.

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IL:Ensimmäiseksi uhriksi on joutunut oligarkki Rinat Ahmetov, joka ainakin aikaisemmin oli maan rikkain ihminen.

Ahmetovin holding-yhtiö SCM kertoi keskiviikkona, että Ahmetovin puhelinverkkoyhtiön Ukrtelekomin toimisto kapinallisalueilla oli vallattu.

Samoin oli käynyt myös Ahmetovin hiilikaivoksille ja humanitaarista apua Itä-Ukrainaan toimittavalle säätiölle.
Nyt voi Persujen suhteen olla varovaisen toiveikas, pitkästä aikaa.
 Aika näyttänee paljonko puolueeseen jäi kaappikokoomuslaisia vielä luuraamaan. [size]

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« Vastaus #17685 : 03.03.2017, 17:48:12 »
Venäläiset on aika innoissaan Krimin valtauksesta, että Krimi on jo päässyt kolikoihin, seteleihin, postimerkkeihin jne..

Eikä ihme, Suurin osa Venäjästä on kylmää ja karua metsää, siellä täällä harmaa betonihelvetti miljoonakaupunki. Krim on varmasti koko Venäjän kaunein ja asumiskelpoisin paikka asua.
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« Vastaus #17686 : 03.03.2017, 17:49:06 »
^^ Ei se ole ryöstelyä vaan sosialismin rakentamista.
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« Vastaus #17687 : 10.03.2017, 11:55:47 »
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Recap of the "ugly truth about Novorossiya" from Anton Raevsky ("Nemets"), ex fighter and officer on the "Novorossiya"/anti-Ukraine side. He's a "Russian nationalist" - more specifically he describes himself as a monarchist and imperialist, although he also seems to have some racial and anti-semitic views.

Anton Raevsky became famous early on, I've seen his photos posted in the Ukraine conflict -related threads. He is an example of anti-Putin nationalists who fought in the Ukraine conflict on the anti-Ukraine side. Eventually he had become disillusioned with the "Novorossiya" cause and deserted it. This text will be my attempt of a review and summary of his claims and beliefs. He has recorded many videos explaining his reasons and beliefs, and gave a number of large, detailed interviews in Russian, and so far I've not seen much of it translated properly, so I want to correct that. I'll include some direct translation of his monologues or interview answers, but also a condensed summary of his statements from the longer interviews in the interests of saving time. The latter may have some differences in wording, but I've tried to stay as faithful as possible to what he is saying in his videos ("video blogging") and interviews. The high level summary:
Raevsky hates Putin and Putin's FSB and consider scum scum, anti-Russian, murderers.
He now thinks the idea of "Novorossiya", as it was "advertised", was a lure for nationalists by FSB, nationalists and Right-wing patriots falling into the trap can easily be destroyed there.
He predicted the assassinations of commanders and that Ukrainians are going to blamed.
LNR and DNR - worthless banana republics not capable of anything good. They are completely dependent financially and militarily on Russia, and alone are nothing.
In reality everything that counts is ran by people from Russia, such as commanders and officers who "officially don't exist", such officers and Russian military presence use locals as a cover. In the army, locals are mostly asocial element, scum, worthless drunks and drug users, their discipline and capabilities are very poor.
Much of destruction in Donbass is to be blamed on both sides, it's a complete lie to blame only the Ukrainians.
He feels cheated by "Strelkov"/Girkin and FSB into Putin's scheme. Hurray-patriotic organizations like Barkashov's RNU and others are serving as lures into this pointless killing, bought by Kremlin.
Raevsky says that he changed his mind and doesn't support either side in the war now.

My translator's comments, and occasional personal commentary and explanations, will be marked {in this fashion} to differentiate them from direct speech. When summarizing his ideas as a synopsis, I'll usually just try to explain them in the most concise and comprehensive way possible, while staying as true to the meaning and import of Raevsky's statements as I can. I'll also add some links (e.g. to Wikipedia articles) that provide further info, when it might be helpful.

August 2014. Reaction to the ousting of "Strelkov" from "Novorossiya" and alleged FSB murders.
"Strelkov", who, at the time, had an iconic status for the "nationalistic"/Right-wing supporters of "Novorossiya" was ousted on 14 August, 2014 and then fled Donbass/east Ukraine.

Quote:
Today I've decided, that I am not going back to {the war in} Donbass. I've no desire to fight for Putin's stooges, for "NovoEdrosiya" {derogatory term for "Novorossiya"}. I've fulfilled my duty [...] Basically, now all the Right-leaning, Russian nationalists will be forced to hastily flee the territory of DNR {Donetsk People's Republic}, because not only they'll be ousted from the leadership positions, and from the army, the state structures entirely, but it's also possible that somethng might happen to them that will be similar to the story I wrote about, when ten Russian volunteers were killed by members of the DNR army "by mistake". That was all done "in the FSB line of work" {the wording, context and tone in the video imply that Raevsky blames these deaths on FSB as a deliberate assassination}. In other words here, on the territory of Russian Federation, FSB can't imprison some person, lacks the data-base {on him}... cannot charge this man with anything, cannot eliminate him. But there beyond the border they can liquidate any dissident, undesirable to the Putin's regime. Afterwards, it will be, of course, all written off as something that the Ukrainian army troops did, or some National Guard {Natsionalna hvardiya of Ukraine}. But, in fact, it's done not by Ukrainian soldiers, but the FSB. 

Sources: 1 2 3. Some of the commanders killed since then and officially blamed on Ukrainians: Alexandr Bednov ("Batman"), Evgeny Ishchenko ("Baby"), Alexey Mozgovoy, Pavel Dremov, Arseny Pavlov ("Motorola"), Mikhail Tolstykh ("Givi") - from this list.

October 2014. Reaction to the "repressions against Strelkovites".

Synopsis by me:
Judeo-masons grabbed the power in Novorossiya. Many fighters from the Strelkov's period ("Strelkovites") are held captive in the basements, beaten, tortured. Today they are robbed of all heavy armaments and vehicles. This will keep happening, and with ever-more-radical methods. Maybe some have already been killed, liquidated, and it all blamed on the "Ukrops" - the Kiev's soldiers, the Ukrainian army. Tomorrow they'll get to Motorola, to Mozgovoy. So, don’t be surprised, if tomorrow you learn, that Mozgovoy died “a hero’s death”. Or that very same Motorola. That’s all coming.

Raevsky implores the "Strelkovites", particularly the commanders like "Motorola", to rise up and turn their weapons on the authorities of LNR and DNR such as Plotnitsky, "before it's too late".
Mozgovoy, indeed, died a "hero's death" on 23 May 2015 - officially blamed on the Ukrainians, but this official version is almost universally not believed. "Motorola" was assassinated on 16 October 2016, reasons and culprits are debated.

Sources: video larger transcript

March 2016. The interview to "Svoboda".


Quote:
- Despite that you consider Putin an enemy of the people, you went to Donbass to fight for Putin, after all that's his war. Perhaps, you were even ready to give your life, after all you got wounded.

I changed my mind in regard to the war in the south-east of Ukraine (after all, no matter how you look at it, it is the territory of the south-east of Ukraine). I believe that the war was unleashed by politicians and intelligence agencies of both countries, not only the Russian Federation. Girkin-"Strelkov" {Igor Girkin} was fulfilling the order of Moscow. That there was such activity in Slavyansk {the early Slavyansk phase of the war}, this nice label {facade}, revival of the tsarist autocracy, orthodoxy, and everything else - it was all merely a lure {trap} for Russian patriots of the right-wing, to bring them into the ranks, lure them to the south-east of Ukraine, in this fratricidal war grind them all down into mince-meat. It was a pure trap organized by the secret services. So my attitude towards this war has completely changed. Not that I began to take a pro-Ukrainian position, no, I'm more neutral, I'm not for that and not for this side right now. I believe that we need to stop this war, so that there would be peace. I am for peace. 

Synopsis of other claims and ideas in the interview:

RNU of Barkashov - totalitarian, heretical, pseudo-Christian sect, where Barkashov simply uses the young people for his purposes, playing on their nationalist feelings. {it was also one of the groups recruiting or, as Raevsky puts it "luring", nationalists from Russia to the war in Ukraine}
Raevsky is sure that various explosions and acts of terror, officially attributed to Chechens, were actually false flag operations of Putin's FSB.
Raevsky became disillusioned with Igor Girkin / "Strelkov", now thinks of him as a chekist, because of Girkin's recent associations with reds / leftists and general disillusionment with "Novorossiya" cause.
During his latest "hitch" at Donbass, Raevsky was shocked by rampant alcoholism everywhere, use of drugs and awful discipline. Officers, from the locals and from Russian Federation, are also affected. According to Raevsky, this causes murders of civilians, looting, deserting and other problems. It's impossible to maintain the discipline even for the"advisors" from Russia, because the current ranks of these insurgent "armies" are a-social element, scum. Many are ex-convicts.
To think that these people are fighting for some ideas or would achieve some victories over Kiev, on their own, is ridiculous.
All units are effectively commanded by "grey cardinals" by career officers from Russia (who officially "aren't there"), the local "people's commanders", whose image Putin's media creates, are just a cover for the Russian army regulars - those people are the ones actually commanding, running things and achieving real military objectives.
Opinion and attitude of many locals towards the armies of "people's republics" has changed strongly for the worse.
Raevsky is sure that Mozgovoy, Bednov ("Batman"), Dremov were killed by "their own side" and blamed on Ukrainians, he believes it's the work of FSB.
Hurray-patriotic organizations like Barkashov's RNU, Limonov's Natsbols, Russian imperial movement are bought by Kremlin and are luring people to Donbass, to get killed or maimed.
LNR and DNR are banana republics, that are living completely at the expense of Russian Federation, their own economy is close to negligible. Best people, the educated, have fled, asocial element and pensionaires have stayed. Everything is ruined.
It wasn't just Ukrainian artillery that has turned everything to rubble - that's a complete lie {related: Who, really, is shelling Donbass - kungurov}. Raevsky says it's artillery from both sides, it's all two-sided, and, knowing what kind of people are in the "people's republics" armies, he's not surprised that they are hitting residential sectors, industrial complexes of Donbass. Raevsky has no idea how to fix all this destruction - it will require decades to restore things.
Source (full interview in Russian)

February 2016. The interview to Denis Kazansky / vlada.io.

My synopsis of what Raevsky says in the interview:

Raevsky about the crucial difference between pro/anti Ukraine nationalists: "I am imperialist, they are anti-imperialists - that's the fundamental difference". (a valid observation)
Even back in Slavyansk fighting, there was Russian military presence. It's a fairy tale that there was just a "local militia". They are creating this beautiful legend, that poorly trained, poorly armed "militia-men" are holding back the Ukrainian army. There was a Russian military presence - it's a fact. They were bringing down the helicopters using some kind of weapon systems Raevsky has never seen.
Raevsky: it's only now that I understand "Strelkov" was a chekist. He was saying nice-sounding words: fighting for the restoration of monarchy and so on. They needed a precedent. A lure for patriots, that there is fighting for "Orthodox Christianity". FSB just played on this. Created a pretty image.
Units like "Vostok" were cowards and preferred looting and marauding, robbing local businesses to the frontline fighting.
The inflow of idealists, the passionate, the nationalists has dried up. Good people don't join the armies of the "people's republics". The convicts who are unemployable, asocial people, alcoholics and drug users - that's who joins. And even after that there is a deficit of people. If Ukrainian army advances at the area of the front Raevsky was at, he believes it will fall in hours. Half will run immediately. {of course, the reaction from the Russian army regulars that would follow is another question, but it's not discussed in the interview}
The idea of "Novorossiya" is completely screwed. There won't be a large advance - the people's republics' army is demoralized and not ready. Negative attitude to Russian Federation growing. Everybody is sick of war.
Raevsky: Dremov and Mozogovoy were killed on FSB orders.
Source (full interview in Russian) Video of the interview.

June 7th, 2015. "Lack of national ideology" - an interesting blog post.
Raevsky speculates about some of the reasons for the failures of "Novorossiya".

Quote:
Thinking aloud.
June 7th, 2015

Ethnic Russians don't have a national ideology.

"Crimea is ours", "the grandfathers have fought" {cult of the Soviet victory} and Putin - this is the ideology of "Sovki" {"mentally Soviet", people of Soviet mentality and identity{. About what Novorossiya can we talk about, when there is no national ideology in erefiya {a negatively colored term for Russian Federation or, simply, modern "Russia"}. And where would it even come from? Novorossiya will undoubtedly lose, or more precisely have already lost to Ukraine. I have a strongly negative opinion of the admirers of Bandera {he is referring to the Ukrainian nationalists who often romantize Bandera, although that's somewhat of a stereotype}, but I am forced to admit, that in the fire of this civil war a national Ukraine is being born, and it's already not just a few Western regions of it {he is referring to the outdated concept that the Ukrainian nationalism is localized in a small area in the West of Ukraine and the rest are "pro Russian" or fence-sitters easily converted to such}.

What national ideology can we, Russian nationalists, give to the ethnic Russian people of Donbass-Novorossiya {Donbass - the area in east Ukraine partially taken over by the anti-Ukraine insurgency} ? Propaganda built on nothing but just hatred towards ethnic Ukrainians, vengefulness and fairy-tales about the bright "Soviet future" {he is referring to the sovietophilia, Soviet mentality, desire to make the future a return to that "good past" - sentiments widespread in Donbass} - this is not an ethnic Russian national ideology. This is the ideology of Kremlin, or more precisely, the Jews.

Russia, or more exactly erefiya, is doomed. If ethnic Russian nationalism is not there to confront {or oppose, as an alternative} the ethnic Ukrainian nationalism, then Surkov {Vladislav Surkov, allegedly the Kremlin's overseer of the "pro Russia" insurgents in Ukraine} & co won't even need to destroy Novorossiya. The USSR 2.0 will destroy itself. And the {bigger} problem is, after {losing} Donbass will come the turn of Crimea, and already Transnistria {Transnistria aka PMR - part of Moldova currently held by "pro Russia" forces} is ripening up for something similar. And later the breakup of erefiya.

[...]

Strelkov and his team made the first steps on the way of creating ethnic Russian National state - Novorossiya, on the positions of Orthodox Christianity and Monarchy, but they were forced out. Other more intractable activists of the Russian world were either shot or deprived of any influence, for example, Pavel Gubarev {Gubarev}. Those who survived and currently are is in RF {Russian Federation}, unfavorable fate awaits them too: who will be framed and imprisoned, or killed by the "Ukrainian commandos" {he implies assassination like that of Mozgovoy, officially blamed on the Ukrainians; indeed, something like that happened to some people and there were other "peculiar deaths" and imprisonments of such people in Russia}. Do you remember Rokhlin, Troshev, Budanov {he is referring to the deaths of other renown military leaders and heroes like Lev Rokhlin and Yuri Budanov} ... ? And Strelkov is still alive. The question: will Strelkov end up like Budanov or Kvachkov? And, believe me, better this way than to end up like Lebed {Alexander Lebed}.
[...] 
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« Vastaus #17688 : 18.03.2017, 12:49:10 »
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Ukraine Has Lost Billions On The Trade Agreement With The EU In Year One

The Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (DCFTA) between Ukraine and the European Union, which came into force on 1 January 2016, was aimed at helping the East European economy to recover; however, the results after the first year fell far short of Ukraine’s expectations. The former Soviet Republic lost €2.2 billion more than it lost in 2015 on trade with the EU. While imports from the EU have surged, exports have barely grown.

As Polish media reports, the European Union has flooded Ukraine with goods, which is contrary to the aim of the free trade agreement: the document assumed the asymmetric openness of the markets in Ukraine’s favour.

According to the Eurostat data, EU’s exports to Ukraine grew in 2016 by 17.6%, from €14bn to €16.5bn, whereas Ukraine’s exports to the EU increased by 1.9%, i.e. from €12.8bn to €13bn. As a result, Ukraine’s trade deficit with the EU has surged from €1.2bn to €3.43bn!

It seems that the Ukrainian economy was absolutely unprepared, especially in times of war in Donbass, to compete with Western enterprises. The GEFIRA team explains the problem of the destruction of Ukraine’s economy in the latest GEFIRA Bulletin. It is going to take years until Ukrainian businesses, particularly small- and medium-sized, are prepared to switch from Russian to Western orientation and it is going to be very costly if not lethal to Ukrainians.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-06/ukraine-has-lost-billions-trade-agreement-eu-year-one
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« Vastaus #17689 : 20.03.2017, 18:12:34 »
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On March 16, representatives of the political party Svoboda, Right Sector, and the National Corpus (i.e. the Azov batallion’s political wing) gathered to sign a National Manifesto.

We, Ukrainian nationalists, understanding the catastrophic state of our country and with the goal of acquiring and developing a great national state, capable of securing the prosperous existence of Ukrainians and a future for Ukrainian children, are uniting our efforts on the basis of fundamental, unambiguous, and unchanging principles and goals, and thereby offer a concrete plan of action that we can embark upon straight away for the achievement of these goals.
1.Define as a priority of state policy the realization of Ukraine’s national interests.
2.New vector of Ukrainian geopolitics – orientation not to the West or the East, but the creation of a new European unity – that of the Balto-Black Sea Union.
3.Recognize the Russian Federation as an aggressor state… break diplomatic relations, blockade the occupied territories, end Russian business activities in Ukraine, sanction Russian capital, goods, and services.
4.Recognize [the LDNR] as occupied territories and develop a real plan to liberate Crimea and Donbass. Immediately embark upon economic, informational, and reconaissance-sabotage actions in furtherance of these goals.
5.Return the right to recreate a nuclear weapons capability as a foundation of national security in light of the violation of the Budapest Memorandum.
6.Create a high-tech professional contract army, and a reserve army, based on the territorial principle.
7.Legalize the right to armed defense and gun ownership.
8.Eliminate hostile propaganda from the Ukrainian information space. Cultivate traditional values, strengthen national consciousness. The Ukrainian language should be the only state language.
9.Carry out a real lustration… strengthen criminal punishments for corruption.
10.Introduce a workable procedure for impeaching the President and make a law about the recall of deputies of all levels and judges.
11.Introduce elections for judges and certain categories of local bureaucrats.
12.Liquidate the oligarchic system: Return subsoil ownership to the state, as well as strategic objects and enterprises, illegally privatized after 1991; liquidate private monopolities, end capital flight to offshore havens.
13.Guarantee the labor rights of Ukrainians and create conditions for an effective labor union movement.
14.Create a new socially just tax code, which will encourage the development of small and medium businesses.
15.Encourage the development of national atomic and alternative energy as a foundation of energy independence.
16.Ban the trade of Ukrainian strategic resources, such as agricultural lands.
17.Introduce real self-government by creating self-sufficient territorial units with a large degree of authority.
18.Rationalize immigration law, including effective provisions against illegal immigration and the creation of conditions for the return of Ukrainians to the motherland.
19.Restore positive dynamics in the national demographics; strengthen the traditional family, strengthen national-patriotic education, and place our bets on the young generation.
20.Encourage the creation of a single local church based in Kiev.
http://theduran.com/the-manifesto-of-ukrainian-nationalism/
Ukraina on pikkuhiljaa menossa siihen suuntaan, että siellä ei ole paljon sijaa maan venäjänkielisellä "vähemmistöllä" - joten Putin saanee paljon slaavilaisia maahanmuuttajia ennen pitkää. Tosin onhan Putin jo tähän asti saanut 2,5 miljoonaa maahanmuuttajaa Ukrainasta sodan alettua + 2 miljoonaa Krimistä + 3 miljoonaa Donbassin kapinallisten alueillta = 7,5 miljoonaa.
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« Vastaus #17690 : 22.03.2017, 15:49:28 »
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Ukraina kieltää Venäjän osallistumisen Euroviisuihin

Syynä on venäläislaulaja Juila Samoilovan vierailu Krimillä.

Venäjä irrotti Krimin niemimaan Ukrainasta vuoden 2014 alussa ja liitti sen itseensä. Sen jälkimainingeissa Venäjälle asetettiin erilaisia pakotteita ja rajoituksia.

Yksi rajoitteista koskee Krimillä työskennelleitä. Mikäli on työskennellyt vallatulla Krimillä, voi matkustusluvan saaminen Ukrainaan olla kiven alla.

Lisäksi on esitetty väitteitä, että Venäjä valitsi vammaisen, pyörätuolissa istuvan esiintyjän, jotta Venäjän artistille ei tänä vuonna buuattaisi. Venäjän edustaja kun on joutunut parina viime vuonna hurjan buuausmyrskyn kohteeksi.

Venäjän duumassa on aiemmin esitetty vaatimuksia, että koko viisuja tulisi boikotoida Ukrainan Venäjä-vastaisen politiikan vuoksi. Kielto koskisi sekä edustajan lähettämistä Kiovaan että viisujen näyttämistä televisiossa.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/viihde/201703222200089733_vi.shtml

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« Vastaus #17691 : 22.03.2017, 16:12:04 »
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Ukraina kieltää Venäjän osallistumisen Euroviisuihin

Syynä on venäläislaulaja Juila Samoilovan vierailu Krimillä.

Venäjä irrotti Krimin niemimaan Ukrainasta vuoden 2014 alussa ja liitti sen itseensä. Sen jälkimainingeissa Venäjälle asetettiin erilaisia pakotteita ja rajoituksia.

Yksi rajoitteista koskee Krimillä työskennelleitä. Mikäli on työskennellyt vallatulla Krimillä, voi matkustusluvan saaminen Ukrainaan olla kiven alla.

Lisäksi on esitetty väitteitä, että Venäjä valitsi vammaisen, pyörätuolissa istuvan esiintyjän, jotta Venäjän artistille ei tänä vuonna buuattaisi. Venäjän edustaja kun on joutunut parina viime vuonna hurjan buuausmyrskyn kohteeksi.

Venäjän duumassa on aiemmin esitetty vaatimuksia, että koko viisuja tulisi boikotoida Ukrainan Venäjä-vastaisen politiikan vuoksi. Kielto koskisi sekä edustajan lähettämistä Kiovaan että viisujen näyttämistä televisiossa.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/viihde/201703222200089733_vi.shtml

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Venäläiset osasi odottaa sitä, siksi he lähetti sinne kisoihin mahdollisimman säälittävän kilpailijan - pyörätuolissa olevan. Nyt he voi lypsää tuota "vääryyttä" kotimaan mediassaan kuukausikaupalla.
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« Vastaus #17692 : 22.03.2017, 16:46:33 »

Ylen mukaan invalidin vierailu Krimille tapahtui 2015

http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9524381?origin=rss

Eli aika ovela veto Venäjältä jos tajusi hoidattaa asian niin että ämmä voittaa euroviisukarsinnat ja pääsee Kiovaan ja sitä kautta houkuttelee Ukrainan aloittamaan euroviisusodan.

Haiskahtaa siltä että Ukraina järkeili että kannattaa nostattaa mahdollisimman iso riita kaasukeskeytyksineen ja EU:n huutamisesta apuun.


Sinänsä olen sitä mieltä että Euroviisut on kuin Finlandia-palkinto, Nobelin rauhanpalkinto, Oscarit, Grammyt tms missä voittajaksi ei voi valita toiseus ja punavihreys potenssiin kolme.
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« Vastaus #17693 : 22.03.2017, 18:41:09 »
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Itä-Uudenmaan poliisi varoitti tänään vanhempia vantaalaiskoulussa leviävästä "nettipelistä", jonka itsetuhoiset tehtävät ovat vaarallisia ja pelottavat lapsia. Poliisin mukaan kyseessä on interaktiivinen itsemurhapeli, jossa pelaaja suorittaa haasteina erilaisia tehtäviä 50 päivän ajan.

Itä-Uudenmaan poliisista kerrotaan, että poliisilla oli tieto Venäjältä lähtöisin olevasta "pelistä" jo noin kuukausi sitten, mutta asiasta haluttiin tiedottaa vasta, kun asia tuli ajankohtaiseksi Suomessa.

http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/artikkeli/onko-nuorten-itsemurhapeli-totta-vai-valeuutinen-poliisi-mtv-lle-pelista-on-vahvistettu-tieto/6359544


Nyt on unohtunut mainita, että peli on ukrainalaisien nationalistien nettisodankäyntiä. Saadaan taas vähän lisää Venäjän uhkaa.
https://pohjolangalapagos.wordpress.com/

Jos olisi pakko valita isänmaaksi joko Suomi tai kiljuämpäri, kumman valitsisit?

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« Vastaus #17694 : 23.03.2017, 10:01:41 »
Valtavia räjähdyksia asevarikolla Itä-Ukrainassa. 20 000 ihmistä evakuoitu. Sabotaasi?
www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201703232200090116_ul.shtml
Kun yksi ihminen kärsii harhasta, sitä sanotaan hulluudeksi. Kun monta ihmistä kärsii harhasta, sitä sanotaan uskonnoksi. -Robert M Pirsig-
Huomautan, että meidän aseistaminen tähtää hyökkäyksen valmisteluun. Hornet varustelut muun muassa. Venäjä on valmistellut vain puolustautumista. -Terijoen Jukka-

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« Vastaus #17695 : 23.03.2017, 15:01:21 »
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Entinen venäläinen kansanedustaja Denis Voronenkov on ammuttu kuoliaaksi Kiovassa torstaina.

Poliisin mukaan tuntematon pyssymies oli ampunut Voronenkon kuoliaaksi kiovalaisen hotellin sisäänkäynnin edessä.

Voronenkov kertoi joutuneensa lähtemään Venäjältä turvallisuuspalvelun vainon takia.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201703232200090257_ul.shtml

FSB ampui loikkarin?

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« Vastaus #17696 : 24.03.2017, 13:08:20 »
Balaklejan hiekkavalleilla ympäröidyt ruutikellarit ovat hajautetusti. Savu nousee useammasta kohtaa. Sinkoilevat raketit tekivät palopesäkkeitä ympäriinsä. Tulipalo alkoi kolmelta aamuyöllä ja jatkui koko päivän tuottamalla pauketta ja sinkoilua.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVi16cft5xo
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« Vastaus #17697 : 24.03.2017, 15:08:04 »
Lainaus
Entinen venäläinen kansanedustaja Denis Voronenkov on ammuttu kuoliaaksi Kiovassa torstaina.

Poliisin mukaan tuntematon pyssymies oli ampunut Voronenkon kuoliaaksi kiovalaisen hotellin sisäänkäynnin edessä.

Voronenkov kertoi joutuneensa lähtemään Venäjältä turvallisuuspalvelun vainon takia.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201703232200090257_ul.shtml

FSB ampui loikkarin?

Voronenkov toimi huumepoliisissa everstinarvoisena tutkimusyksikön johdosssa. Hänen ryhmänsä paljasti 10 vuotta sitten fsb:n korkea-arvoisten upseerien sekaantuneen miljardiluokan salakuljetukseen. Paljastusten johdosta useita kenraaleja ja muita upseereja erotettiin. Tämän jälkeen Voronenkovin ryhmän jäseniä syytettiin ja tuomittiin erilaisista rikoksista ja yksikkö lakkautettiin. Voronenkov oli valittu kommunistien edustajaksi duumaan, joten hän säästyi syytteiltä viime vuoden kesään saakka, jolloin hänen epäiltiin syyllistyneen useisiin talousrikoksiin. Duuma kumosi hänen syytesuojansa. Voronenkov matkusti Ukrainaan ja sai kansalaisuuden heti todistaessaan entistä Ukrainan presidentti Janukovitsia koskevassa oikeudenkäynnissä.

Toinen Ukrainaan loikannut Venäjän kansanedustaja Ponomarev arveli, että Voronenkovin murhan takana on entinen FSB:n kenraali Feoktistov, joka oli keskeisessä roolissa, kun silloinen talouskehitysministeri Uljukov pidätettiin lahjusten vaatimisesta Rosneft öly-yhtiön yksityistämishankkeen yhteydessä. http://www.newsru.com/world/23mar2017/generalfix.html

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« Vastaus #17698 : 28.03.2017, 12:59:04 »
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Ukrainian war hero and lawmaker slurs Jews


(JTA) — A Ukrainian lawmaker and war hero used a word usually translated as “kikes” in complaining that Jews wield excessive power in her country.

Nadiya Savchenko, a fighter jet pilot who was elected to parliament in 2014 while she was still being held as a prisoner of Russia, made the statements on Saturday during a televised interview for the 112 station and insisted they were not indicative of anti-Semitic bias.

Savchenko was asked to address criticism that in a television interview earlier this month, she failed to condemn the anti-Semitic statements of a caller with whom she seemed to agree.

During the 112 interview on Saturday, which was conducted in Ukrainian, Savchenko said, “I have nothing against Jews. I do not like ‘kikes.’” She later said Jews possess “80 percent of the power when they only account for 2 percent of the population.”

In expressing neutrality to Jews, she used the word “evreiv,” which speakers both of Ukrainian and Russian is a neutral designation. But later she used the term “zhidiv,” which in Russian is a pejorative for Jews, akin to “kike” in English.

Some Ukrainians claim the word “zhid” is the standard designation for a Jew in their language, though leaders of the Ukrainian Jewish community insist it is offensive to Jews in both languages.

In the same interview, Savchenko cited the fact that Ukraine’s prime minister, Volodymyr Groysman, is Jewish and claimed that the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko, also has Jewish roots along with Yulia Tymoshenko, a former prime minister and a leader of the nation’s Orange Revolution.

The ancestries of both Proshenko and Timoshenko have been the subject of speculation in Ukraine and beyond.

During the earlier interview on March 21 for OneNews, Savchenko agreed in principle with a caller who inveighed against a “Jewish takeover of Ukraine.”

She replied: “Indeed, part of the ruling establishment in Ukraine does not possess distinctly Ukrainian blood and we need to talk about it and act.”


Russia arrested and tried Savchenko for her role as a Ukrainian soldier in fighting between Ukrainian troops and Russian-baked separatists in 2014 near the Ukrainian border city of Donetsk. Russian judges said she was responsible for the slaying of two journalists. She was released in a prisoner exchange in 2016.

Her lead defense lawyer in Russia during the trial was the human rights attorney Mark Feigin, who is Jewish. Feigin said he had been detained and harassed repeatedly by authorities for defending Savchenko.
http://www.jta.org/2017/03/27/news-opinion/world/ukrainian-war-hero-and-lawmaker-slurs-jews
Miten joku voi olla noin sydämetön, että haukkuu viattomia juutalaisia.
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« Vastaus #17699 : 06.04.2017, 11:41:36 »
Lainaus
A Century After the US Entered World War I, Modern-Day Trench Warfare Continues in Ukraine
http://dailysignal.com/2017/04/05/a-century-after-the-us-entered-world-war-i-modern-day-trench-warfare-continues-in-ukraine/
Hyvä juttu.

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http://knowledge.ucoz.org/news/characterization_of_the_war_in_ukraine_through_a_look_at_alexey_mozgovoy_1975_2015/2017-04-05-108
Characterization of the War in Ukraine Through a Look at Alexey Mozgovoy (1975-2015)

Alexey Mozgovoy was a worker in his social origin. Before the events of 2013-14 in Ukraine, he used to be a “guest worker” in St. Petersburg, Russia, working on a building project, it seems as a cook.

In his political views, he was a curious mix of left and right wing ideology, which is so typical for modern day post-USSR. He was a socialist in that he argued for nationalization of strategic enterprises, which have been stolen from the state by oligarchs. He also argued for a constitution which would return the political power to the people, making the bureaucrats people’s servants, not visa versa. The 3 slogans, upon which his brigade was based were: 1. People’s power, 2. Anti-fascism, 3. Anti-oligarchy (see the movie «Первый», “First” about A. Mozgovoy).

A. Mozgovoy was also a Slavic nationalist and an anti-Semite. His close friend was Igor Strelkov, who used to be the first Minister of Defense in the newly formed Donetsk People’s Republic. Strelkov is known for his sympathy to the monarchist movement. If we look at the set of principles upon which the Prizrak Brigade was based, under #12, we find the concept of “Russian world”. The idea is that Russians, Ukrainians and Byelorussians should unite against their common enemies. These enemies Mozgovoy sees as Jews, who are conspiring to divide up the Slavic people and make them slaves (see many entries in his diary for 2014-15).

Mozgovoy was killed because he spoke against the bureaucracy and oligarchy, which is the ruling caste both in the newly formed Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR & DPR), and in the “mainland” Ukraine. Most important are his 2 articles, called “The System” and “The System-2”, published in early May, 2015, shortly before his murder on 23 May, 2015.
Toinen ihan kiintoisa juttu, kapinallisten tunnetuimmasta komentajasta.

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The former leader of the militants “DNR” Igor Girkin (Strelkov) has named Russian President Vladimir Putin “false bipedal beast”.

This Girkin wrote in the social network. He believes that Putin is afraid of him.

“But if someone wants to show me the claim, for example, “for insulting the honor and dignity of the President” (Prime Minister, first Deputy Prime Minister, Chairman of the state Duma, etc.) in accordance with the law – I am always ready. Ready to answer for every word. But they will not show, because you know – I’m on the court openly straight text says under the Protocol, all what people think about them (and even tougher than it is now), and the “cover” they will be absolutely nothing. Because they have neither honor nor dignity. At all. As and conscience, and other “abstract properties”. They two-legged brutes. Stupid and greedy. And yet – shockingly cowardly and deceitful. They’re afraid of me, and I – no,” – said the gunman

Earlier, Girkin called Putin a “prostitute”, “terpenes” and “homeless of the gate.”
http://world.24-my.info/the-former-leader-of-the-militants-dnr-girkin-erupted-with-insults-putin/
Putin on saamassa lisää vihollisia.
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