Luin tänään jostain jenkkimediasta tai en muista oliko britti, että …
Tuo nyt on ihan hevonpaskaa Länsimailla olisi kyky halutessaan tuotaa aseita vaikko 50X enemmän mitä Venäjä. Nykyiselläkin tahdilla Venäjällä piisaa lähinnä alkeellista rautaa vanhentuneita tankkeja ja rautapommeja. Kyky hyökätä on loppunut…
Venäläiset ovat orjia eivätkä typeryksiä. Moni orja peittoaisi keskiverto suomalaisen shakissa. Jos Venäjä häviää sodan niin ... Nyt vaan pitäisi tehdä päätöksiä tämän paskavaltion lopettamiseksi.
Löysin sen jutun, mihin hyvin laveasti viittasin edellä, olkaa hyvät. Erittäin hyvä artikkeli, suorastaan raamatullisen hyvä, vastaa kaikkiin kysymyksiin. Ja selkokielellä, eli ei tarvitse olla sotatieteiden tohtori tai armeijan käynyt, että tämän tekstin tajuaa.
Ukraine is firing shells faster than can be supplied. Can Europe catch up? https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/17/europe/ukraine-shell-supplies-intl/index.html … Artillery has dominated the war in Ukraine. But nearly 18 months in, a significant gap still remains between the shells Ukraine wants and how fast European and American factories can supply them. And concerns are rising that Europe’s patchwork of arms manufacturers is ill-suited to meet these needs.
Away from the front, Ukraine’s war has become a numbers game: who can acquire, make and resupply more tanks, bullets, and, most of all, artillery shells.
Amid their counteroffensive, Ukrainian guns are firing up to 6,000 rounds daily, Ukrainian MP Oleksandra Ustinova told CNN, but the military wants to shoot more than 10,000. Even that is a fraction of the 60,000 shells that Russia was using at the peak of its barrages this year, per an Estonian and Ukrainian government analysis.
All in all, Kyiv needs some 1.5 million artillery shells annually, according to the CEO of one of Europe’s largest arms manufacturers, Rheinmetall.
By July, the US had supplied more than two million artillery rounds to Ukraine since the 2022 invasion, the Pentagon said. The European Union has supplied at least a quarter of million this year, in addition to bilateral donations directly between individual member states and Ukraine. The United Kingdom, too, has also donated ammunition.
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But in February 2023, Europe-wide production of artillery ammunition had a maximum capacity of 300,000 shells annually, Estonian defense officials estimated. The best-case scenario of an increase to making 2.1 million shells annually is still years away from being realized.
With European stocks depleted and existing production lines overwhelmed, ammunition buyers are keen to get their hands on whatever’s available. In an interview with CNN, the CEO of shell casing manufacturer Europlasma described the buyers’ message as: “We’ll take all you can make.”
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Amid the rush to ramp up production, manufacturers are facing backlogs that could take years to work out, with production lag times that threaten their home country’s military readiness.
A French parliamentary report from February 2023 stated that standard 155mm shells would take up to 20 months to be delivered, rising to between 24 to 36 months for more advanced guided models.
“Three years ago, everyone thought we can do everything with airplanes. It’s not possible. Yes, we need strong land forces,” Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger told CNN.
German arms company Rheinmetall has a 40 billion euro ($43 billion) backlog of orders across its catalog of ammunition, weapon systems and vehicles, Papperger said, with ammunition accounting for 10 billion euros of that.
It’s a similar situation across the Atlantic, with the US military ordering some ammunition “20-30 months” ahead of delivery, according to William LaPlante, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment.
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Rheinmetall says its production should hit 400,000 shells this year, with 600,000 its goal for 2024. That’s up from producing less than 100,000 shells annually pre-2022.
Scandinavian munitions producer Nammo hopes to see production reach 80,000 shells annually next year, up from “a few thousand” in 2021.
However, these increases speak as much to the paltry demand prior to Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine, as the EU’s push for increased production.
US suppliers have faced a similar uphill battle to boost production, with total US production expected to reach 100,000 shells monthly in 2025, up from 14,500 per month in early 2023, according to the head of Pentagon acquisitions, William LaPlante. US monthly production is currently at 28,000 shells per months, LaPlante added.
Even Tuuli Duneton, the senior the Estonian defense official …
Eli se on nyt opittu, että perinteinen sodankäynti on vielä yllättäen voimissaan, mutta eipä ole jenkeilläkään mitään jemmassa eikä kapasiteettia lisätä tuotantoa riittävän nopeasti. Ja tämmöinen Nato sitten Eurooppaa suojelee?
The EU’s plan isn’t a catch-all solution.
“If the goal is to supply Ukraine with munitions right away, it’s probably not terribly efficient,” Jonathan Caverley, a professor at the US Naval War College, told CNN.
“And if the goal is to actually develop a sophisticated and effective, rationalized, European-wide defense industry, this isn’t going to work either,” he added.
For now, the West hasn’t mastered getting cheap, standardized artillery at scale into Ukrainian hands and NATO stockpiles.
Russia though – with its more state-backed manufacturing – appears to have achieved just that.
Despite international sanctions and the mounting cost of the war, Russia is still producing artillery ammunition at a rate seven times cheaper and eight times faster than the West, according to the Estonian defense ministry.
Duneton, the Estonian defense official, conceded that given Russia’s commitment of human and financial resources to ammunition production, “they will continue to produce ammunition much faster than [Europe is] capable of.”
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Despite NATO countries principally using 155mm-caliber guns and ammunition, there still could be much more standardization of production of the shells, Caverley said, particularly in Europe where historically suppliers have catered almost exclusively to their home nation’s specific demands.
A more standardized production of 155mm shells, producing bulk deliveries of cheap artillery rounds, is less appealing to manufacturers, Caverley argued, as the current model of bespoke orders of more specialized shells typically offers higher profit margins.
Neither is scaling up simple. Manufacturers face issues over supplies of raw materials and electronic components, delivery of machinery that could take up to a year, and finding trained labor.
At Europlasma, recruitment for its forge has been such a concern that executives even asked a visiting team of Ukrainian buyers if they could send workers to France.
While European defense officials remain cautiously optimistic of the prospects for the EU’s plans for long-term production boosts, there’s a very rigid ceiling on how quickly much-needed shells can reach Ukraine’s troops.
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Kaikesta on Lännessä pulaa, paitsi rahanahneudesta. Koko juttu linkistä. Kannattaa lukea ja kiinnostuneena odotan, millä perusteilla haastatellut ovat mielestänne ryssän kätyreitä.
Ei hyvältä näytä oikein kenenkään näkökulmasta tämä tilanne. Ei uhkaa nopea voitto kummallekaan osapuolelle, mutta kuten jutussa kerrotiin, niin venäläiset tehdä tuhertavat ammuksiaan ynnä muuta ja vaikka ne räpsyttimet eivät ehkä ole järin hienoja, niin niilläkin valitettavasti saavat aikaan sitä mitä sodassa on tarkoituskin aikaan saada eli tuhoa.
Edit: Yllättäen juuri huomasin vastanneeni
@P kommenttiin ihan sattumalta, eikä cnn lienee mikään vatnikkimedia ole sinunkaan mielestä?
Se miten armeijankäymättömänä naisena ymmärrän, niin ”sivistyneemmistä” aseista kuten droneista voi ryzzällä ollakin uupelo mutta tämä juttu käsitteli käsittääkseni perinteisempää aseistusta tykistöammuksia tai jotain muita ammuksia, ja niitä Venäjä tuottaa vakaalla tahdilla huolimatta länsimaiden pakotteista.
Samaten nuo haastatellut henkilöt olivat luotettavan oloisia (Pentagonia ym.), ja jos taas eivät ole, niin taivas varjele missä ”pöydissä” päättäjämme istuvat ja keiden kanssa yhteistyötä tekevät.
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